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Thread: My Suggestions to increase U.S. atom ownership and to prevent any further "problems"

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    My Suggestions to increase U.S. atom ownership and to prevent any further "problems"

    there are many threads on the "Atom Forums"... regarding registration and ownership... primarily as with my case when i first had the desire for an atom.. i came on the forum and i asked about registration and tried to find threads with info... it's difficult but some people have posted things you try and work off of.. then you hunt the internet for examples that apply to your state.. and you go from there.. in my case i took what i found about Atom registration on the forums and coupled it with peoples experiences from FFR cars and other "kit" cars...

    so we as energetic and excited to be owners take this "half baked" knowledge and try and find the laws and do everything right..... AND... we end up creating a hurdle for ourselves.. a big hurdle

    why? because the atom as it currently exists CAN be legal, but at the same time it CANNOT be legal in the US for street use... and if we don't do everything perfectly... we end up only hurting ourselves down the line and others who want to own and enjoy said vehicles...

    also.. every time we post about this, it's PUBLIC and people trying to work against us (for no reason besides jealousy or "they love their damn jobs....RAWR"...) see it and hurts the overall community..



    MY PROPOSITION:

    A: all registration info only be posted on a "private" section, said private section has limitations to enter (time limit and post minimum)... you must contribute to the forum and have a genuine interest to view this section... obviously genuine can mean many things... but this is to prevent "fly by night" people from gaining access...

    B: people wishing to help "would be owners" should try and verify who this person is.... very rarely do people new to the internet want to buy an ariel atom.. google their email address, ask them questions, engage them... if they say they have a car on order, talk to T.M.I., this is only helping them in the long run as well... if you feel this person is genuine, then help them the best you can

    C: in said "private section"... people can only post first hand experiences.. and leave out "specific" details.. i.e. cities.. their car info... etc... post basically: i am in this state, and this county... this is what i did, and it yeilded in a plate being issued, or vin plate being issued and so forth.... also people can post their trouble and what they did... leaving out city and their personal car info.... hopefully it creates more "i got a plate" versus "i did not get a plate"

    ****please note, every time a title/registration is denied.. it does go before the DOT/NHTSA and a flag is created****

    D: specific details. i.e. city, lawyers to use, loopholes.. can only be talked about in private... (email? phone call? text?)? mainly because you dont want this specific info on the internet.

    E: license plates are encouraged to be blurred out or covered on the forums (with a plate number, any DOT/NHTSA/etc can bring up not only the owners info but all the paperwork that was used to register the vehicle... ALL OF THE PAPERWORK!!).. this is how they then send out "revocation of title" paperwork to current owners..





    obviously others can help add more suggestions, the purpose of this being to restrict info to people that just "pop up" on the site... we can have something in the normal section saying "we restrict discussion of registration on the forum.. become a valued member of the forum by contributing and surely someone will volunteer to help you out once we see your interest is true".....

    another way this problem can be solved is at the creation of the vehicle... right now "Sector111" does it properly.. they install the engine and the car is perfectly legal under SB100 in cali... this is a great process that is fully legal in the eyes of DOT and NHTSA.. if the factory can have all engines installed by a NHTSA certified engine installer.. the vehicles are 100% legal as "kit cars" and can be registered without all this drama and hassle... (not sure how to implement).


    our main focus is to create more owners, obviously create more sales for T.M.I., and to educate owners versus create new problems for existing owners..


    hopefully this helps for the greater good, i am no longer an atom owner but have dealt direction with all the qualms.. and would love to help the future owners of atoms.

    -riley

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    looking over the forums it is very easy to see the "newly registered" asking this question... it is afterall a very important question before putting cash down on the line... many are just tire kickers otherwise they would have called the factory and discussed with them, but also the factory (to prevent liability) cannot really do all the answering to protect their end of things.


    it's important if we create said section, that we also let these people know.."hey it's something we cannot discuss publicly... but we do encourage your enthusiasm for the car... and if you are patient,, it will be told/known...

    had i been told this originally.. then it would have been a much easier process..





    ****Also, we need to know who is in charge/on top of editing/moving/deleting threads.. so when a thread does come up.. or an old thread discussing registration we know who to forward it to to have it either deleted (for non accurate info) or have it moved to said private section.****
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    sorry to beat a dead horse, i encourage any moderator to edit my post to make it more coherant!.




    #1 problem i see is non owners making threads or replies "i read this, so this is how you do it"... this is a big problem...


    the private section should only have "how to's" from people with atoms that HAVE PLATES AND REGISTERED..


    this is to alleviate any hassles and misinformation to new "would be owners"

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    One of the greatest sources of frustration I have ever run into was how difficult it was to do research on registration. It was on the other forum about 6 years ago, and it was a process similar to what has just been proposed. It was a year before I ended up with the car and the only thing that stood in the way of my purchase was me feeling that I had a reasonably good chance that I could work through what I needed to.

    So I register for the forum and start reading. I believe I had spent more than a month reading virtually everything that was ever posted, and that's no exaggeration. With a lack of the specific information I was looking for, I'm told "it's private, contribute in order to gain access." This puts someone in a catch-22. How much can someone really "contribute" when they don't have the car and are only considering purchase? How much can someone post at that point without it being fluff just to satisfy some arbitrary time/post count? Here I was trying to figure out what I needed to do in order to obtain the information I needed, when the information I needed would allow me to become an owner with something meaningful to then contribute. Eventually it was revealed to me that I could just pay the official club membership fee and gain access to the information I was looking for and that gave me what I felt I needed to proceed.

    I do see both sides of the argument, and the reasons why they must be carefully considered. Not to diminish the effort, but I don't know that there is any good way to share this type of information. The closest I have experienced has been Mark @ TMI asking if he could give my # to a specific known prospective customer with some questions. That type of vouched personal referral was ok, but I still felt I needed to prefix the conversation with the here's why you must be careful with this process and please don't refer to any owner by name or use them specifically as an example....
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    I appreciate all the knowledge that is freely given on the forums. I respect all those that went thru the effort and struggle of getting their Atoms registered. I wish that piece of information was easier to obtain. I keep doubting myself if I could get an Atom registered. It sounds easy enough; however, there's a painful financial hit if I can't. I would feel much better about the purchase if I could read some first hand accounts of what it really takes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napalm View Post
    I appreciate all the knowledge that is freely given on the forums. I respect all those that went thru the effort and struggle of getting their Atoms registered. I wish that piece of information was easier to obtain. I keep doubting myself if I could get an Atom registered. It sounds easy enough; however, there's a painful financial hit if I can't. I would feel much better about the purchase if I could read some first hand accounts of what it really takes.

    says the person who registered this month.


    we have all gone down the road.. research the car.. get involved with the forum and start some banter and asking questions and making friends... if the car is worth it, then the hours of work are well worth it... we clearly have hundreds of atom's on the road... so it can be done

    if we made it easy enough for a 3 post, not even a week member to know.. then none of us would have atoms on the road and they would all be seized by the NHTSA and crushed... would you prefer that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rijowysock View Post
    says the person who registered this month.


    we have all gone down the road.. research the car.. get involved with the forum and start some banter and asking questions and making friends... if the car is worth it, then the hours of work are well worth it... we clearly have hundreds of atom's on the road... so it can be done

    if we made it easy enough for a 3 post, not even a week member to know.. then none of us would have atoms on the road and they would all be seized by the NHTSA and crushed... would you prefer that?
    I've been reading these boards off and on for much, much longer than a month. I only decided to finally register this month since my desire to finally pull the trigger has been strong lately.

    I admin another car site and understand how important it is to be active within the community to get the most out of the car, hence, I am here.

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    It doesn't hurt to make friends with the local DMV manager and consult them on if they would allow <insert random car> to be registered through their office. Uncharacteristically, I had a very positive experience with my DMV visit.

    I did little to no research on registration or insurance and jumped in feet first. At the time, the production queue was long enough and US Atoms scare enough I could have flipped it if unregisterable.

    I might have blazed the trail in my state for Atom registration, but given some of the 'rat rods' that are road legal here it's not a hard position to argue for registration.

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    First off I couldn't agree more with providing the relevant, useful information for new or potential owners. That being said, I have been there and done that with a great deal of help and insight from rijowysock and a few others.
    The biggest problem is not the legal factor but rather human factor involved in the "registration" process. In an ideal world you have rules and guidelines that list and specify what is needed to register, you follow it and bam.... it's done. But unfortunately the outcome in many cases are based on whether the person on the other side of the window is constipated or not (such as it is in my case). This human factor of a monkey wrench makes it damn near impossible to provide anyone with a clear logical procedure to follow (as I found out the hard way). Because we don't want to get anyone into trouble we must omit many details of the "process" but yet the detail is the key in successfully completing the "process", there in lies the irony and difficulty.
    If all government employees adhere to the guidelines then we wouldn't have all these problems, just my 2c.

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    Confused?

    So i'm a little confused, and I guess I have to get my post count up, lol. From what I have read this process and information must be kept private in order to keep registrations and loopholes from going away. But who is it thats actually trying to keep atoms from being registered? And why? And can a registration really be revoked? I plan to get an atom next year (I have 9 months of deployment to "contribute") and am not interested if I cannot daily drive to some extent. Is a registration revocation something to constantly be worried about?

    I guess I just dont see why the big car registration and rule making people are so vehemently against this car as they are made out to be.

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